Sorrell or Chestnut Help???

[Horsenut]

Alright I need to know what you guys think.. I'm going to send in Maverick's registration soon and with AQHA I get a choice of Sorrell or Chestnut..

So what would you guys call him :confused:

I think of a chestunt as the lighter and the sorrell as the darker, but I've heard the reverse is true.. got myslelf all confused :o

[Horsenut]

Here's one more :)

[Horsespoiler]

Afraid I can't be much help. I had two different horses that same color and on the papers one is listed as chestnut and the other sorrel. Perfect Horse has an rtical on color that says"some breed associations do not recognize sorrel which is a variation of chestnut.those groups taht do, such as the American Quarter Horse Association, usually reserve sorrel for chestnuts of a reddish or copper-red color." Hope that helps. Glad my short term memory let me remember that article. I only read it two days ago!

[Khayels_Mom]

Nut, what color is his mom. They seem like they are the same color.

[Horsenut]

KM - His mother is a buckskin.. the other chestnut in the pictures is Nibbles the pony :p

[Khayels_Mom]

OK, Maverick is darker than his dam. I vote for sorrel but a warning that I am no expert.

[Khayels_Mom]

See, I told you I was no expert. :rolleyes:

[TwoMedicineKody]

Your guy looks like he has the same coloring as my Jake, he is a registered quarter horse and he is described as Sorrel.

[Horsenut]

I'm obviously not either :p :o ;)

[Haunani]

Per my understanding, Sorrel is a chestnut with reddish tones to them. Based on the pics, I'd say he's a sorrel, too.

[Tonipony]

He is a sorrel in my opinion, a chestnut is alot darker.

[cols]

Wow, am I out of it !
You learn something new every day.
I always thought that those were just two different terms for a red horse.
I have always heard people in the "english" disciplines using chestnut and the "western" folk using sorrel.
:confused: Like I say, you learn something new every day.

[n2stitch]

I'd say sorrel, too.

[Horsenut]

Cols - To make it even more confusing some sites say the lighter color is a sorrel and the darker is the chestnut.. open another site and it says the complete opposite :p ... Talk about learning something new.. I'd just love to know if I call him a Sorrel folks won't argue that he's a chestnut!!LOL!!!

Oh yea.. he's a western looking boy to me anyway :cool:

[Tonipony]

APHA puts out a free color chart, not only of the patterns, but of horse colors. They distinguish between the sorrel and chestnut and show color pictures of each. I always thought chestnut was for arabs and sorrel for quarter horses. The picture of a chestnut that they have is what I would call a liver chestnut as it is very dark, but the sorrel is a typical sorrel horse that most of us would recognize as a sorrrel.

[Cassie1]

Cols - me too! I always thought that one for for QH's and the other for other breeds....

Now, Flirt, my registered TB mare, is reg. as Chestnut and she is the exact color as a brand new copper penney and her mane and tail are exact matches to her coat - I'd say she is a red with some golden tones to it -not dark like a liver chestnut at all...

who knows? :confused:
Ginger

[Clydelover]

I'd say... Brown. :D

[Hana]

I always heard sorrel had a lighter mane and tail and chestnust had the same color as the body

[cols]

Cols - me too! I always thought that one for for QH's and the other for other breeds....

Now, Flirt, my registered TB mare, is reg. as Chestnut and she is the exact color as a brand new copper penney and her mane and tail are exact matches to her coat - I'd say she is a red with some golden tones to it -not dark like a liver chestnut at all...

who knows? :confused:
Ginger
See, now a TB registered as chestnut makes sense to me. TB's are not traditional "western horses".
I think of 'Liver Chestnut' as being a completely different colour from chestnut.
... but then, what do I know ? ... I spell colour with a 'u' . :p

[Lavender444]

Based off those pictures I would say Sorrell.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I see a dorsal strip in earier pictures? If so then thats a whole different ball...er, color game. Expecially since his momma has a dun factor.

[Horsenut]

Lav - Yes he did have a dorsal stripe when he was born, however, when he lost his baby coat there is no stripe now.. so I figured he was just a plan chestnut/sorrel horse.. His dam is a dun and his sire is a buckskin..

Get this.. when he first came we thought he was a solid color.. notice he has a rear white hoof now!!! I thought you could tell a white foot at birth too :confused:

[Penny]

I've always heard that sorrel has yellowish undertones while chestnut has reddish undertones. No proof to that of course. LOL!

[RavenToy]

I'd contact the breed registry or look on their site to see what they use.

I grew up understanding what Hana did, that a chestnut was a horse with the same color mane and tail (no genetic modifier) whereas a sorrel was a chestnut, essentially, with a lighter mane and tail.

But it seems that it depends very much on the breed nowadays. :D

[Cassie1]

You know, this is getting interesting....I'm watching to see who finds out the difference in the two.....

I've been told that they are the same thing, depending on type of horse and then there are so many different understandings here too....

Would love to know....somewhere there has to be a final decision?
Waiting and watching....
Ginger :D

[cols]

I've been told that they are the same thing, depending on type of horse and then there are so many different understandings here too....
Ginger :D
Me, too !
It sure would be nice to have a difinitive answer to this one ! :D

[Tiff-Slip]

this horse has a strip down his back??? If so then the horse is AQHA is a DUN. :p
So cute!!!

[Tiff-Slip]

Okay, AQHA has both sorrel and chesnut, Sorrel is the light brown with non red under tones, whereas a Chestnut has red and black under tones. If this guy isnt a dun I would push towards a Chesnut, my liver chesnut mare has red/black undertones, and her mane and tail is reddish black also. I will post a picture if you like.

[Tiff-Slip]

I looked at the piture again,,,, and I am really pushing a dun, if his parents were a buckskin and a dun, then you should have your self another dun, YUP my moneys ont he dun! ;)

[nelson]

He looks reddish to me and I would say sorrell, chestnet is brown without red. However, Tag our last year baby was to me tri-colored I sent a whole role of film to register him and they registered him black and white his mom was black and white.

Horses can shed out to different colors and can also be bleached by the sun sometimes bleaching black to dark brown in summer.

Annie

[Lavender444]

I was reading my July PH last night and what do you know....it had a page about color! (Perfect timing John! :D )This is what it says about Sorrel and Chestnuts...

Chestnut: Body color can range from a red-yellow to golden-yellow, but can also include a liver color. Many have bronze or copper highlights on the legs, while the mane and tail can be dark red, browish red or flaxen, but not black. Legs will not have black points.

Sorrel: Some breed associations do not recognize sorrel, which is a variation of chestnut. Those groups that do, Such as AQHA, usually reserve sorrel for chestnuts of a reddish or copper-red color.

Based off that I would definatly say Sorrel for Maverick expecially since he has magical marking that appear and vanish. ;)

Joey's papers say Sorrel, but I was looking at him today and I'm thinking he looks a lot more chestnut then sorrel. Expecially when compared to little Mav. Oh well. :rolleyes:

[cols]

So, Ginger, we were sorta right !

[vsolubo]

Bear is the same color (pretty much) with a lot of individual white hairs on his flanks, I wanted to register him as a roan, the QH reg. wanted pictures taken from a certain distance away to confirm, they told me he had to be reg. as a sorrel because you couldn't see the white hairs easily on the photo. So I say sorrel! :D

[proudtobespotted]

From Horse Colors by D. Sponenberg and B. Beaver:
In English speaking countries the red color group is ususally separated by body color into several divisions, including liver chestnut for darkest red, chestnut for medium red and sorrel for light red. In the AQHA the light, clear reds are considered sorrel, regardless of the number of shades present. The medium reds are chestnut.
???that was helpful??
By the pictures in the book and what little I know Id say sorrel.
Susan

[Horsenut]

So it seems the concensus is that he's a sorrel ;) I guess what I've gathered is it is my choice anyway..

I want to send his paperwork in soon so I just need to be sure there is truely no dun stripe and I'm all set.. from what I can see there is no stripe anymore!!! :)

[hdk9s]

"http://www.horsenetwork.com/reference/horsecolors.html"

[Cassie1]

Lav - my Flirt who is reg. as Chestnut (TB) looks almost exact to your Joey - with the white blaze and all!

Whatever she is, to me she will be chestnut as her reg. papers say....shines like a brand new copper penney and her mane/tail are exact matches to coat!

Ginger :D

[Morganslil1]

Aw shucks why cant we just call them firey lil redheads?????:D

[rockyowner]

This is Katie, a 10 year old foundation quarterhorse. What color would you say she is? We have gotten lots of different answers. Some say chestnut, others say 'Beats me"! Her mane and tail are not black, and she does have a faint dorsal stripe, but none on her legs. And her filly was definitely a sorrel.

[rockyowner]

Here is another one of Katie

[rockyowner]

And the last one:

[Cassie1]

Just based on what I've read on this thread...I'd say she is a brown...

Beautiful horse!

ginger :)

[latigo]

Lovely foal! I'd have to go with Sorrel. AQHA and APHA both recognize "sorrel" as a color. It is primarily a western term that comes from the French meaning reddish. TB's and other breeds refer to the same color as Chestnut. Some Sorrels and Chestnuts may show dun factors such as line backs and zebra stripes, but unless they are pretty obvious and unless the dun factor actually dilutes the coat color, the dun factors are usually ignored. Perhaps sometime in the future, color descriptions will be based on genetics---- as the AQHA has done by accepting cremellos and perlinos as acceptable colors as well as excessive white as long as parentage is verified.

Following is the description from AQHA.

Sorrel
Body color reddish or copper-red; mane and tail usually same color as body, but may be flaxen. The most common color of American Quarter Horses.

Chestnut
Body color dark red or brownish-red; mane and tail usually dark red or brownish-red but may be flaxen.

As to the lovely Katie. I'd probably call her a sorrel. She definitely has some dun factors, and probably genetically is a dun, but I'd go with sorrel. I'd like to see more coat dilution or darker stripe.

[MeasureMe]

Chestnut, Sorrel, same difference.

[TwoMedicineKody]

Regarding Katie, I agree with latigo I would refer to her as a sorrel, with dun factors. She looks the same coloring as my Kody.

[Tripledeuce2]

If there really are dun factors present... then I would (by Sponenberg's definitions) call the horse a red dun.

[latigo]

I agree with ya TRIPLEDUECE2. But AQHA is way behind the times when it comes to colors. They need to read Sponenberg more! LOL

[Cathy]

Following is the description from AQHA.

Sorrel
Body color reddish or copper-red; mane and tail usually same color as body, but may be flaxen. The most common color of American Quarter Horses.

Chestnut
Body color dark red or brownish-red; mane and tail usually dark red or brownish-red but may be flaxen.



Okay, read what you have said here and then look at the beautiful, Katie, again. By these definitions Katie, is a Chestnut!! That is also, what I see when I look at her pictures.

jm2cw.

[Cha cha cha]

I'd say he's a sorrell and Katie is a chestnut...

[frazy]

I vote sorrel and so does my mom. She used to breed Quarter horses.

[rmccd47]

OK.............What did I miss here!
1st this thread is from 2005, so the last page goes from 2005 to today but no new information or questions. Just the same debate on the color. Then in the middle of all this are 2 picture of the horse but there are references to pictures of other horse. I don't see them.
I'M SO CONFUSED :confused::p
AM I NUTS?
What color did this horse get registered as?

I feel like I am in a time warp!:eek:;)

Debbie

[Haunani]

The original one was registered as a Sorrel. :D

[rmccd47]

Ok but what did I miss, why was this thread brought out of the archives, and no new comments or questions were added to it.
That is what is confusing me.:confused:;)
Debbie

[merlins mom]

looks like sorral